Watchmen is a comic, anyone who says otherwise is just being ignorant, a graphic novel is a story printed ONLY in a paperback/hardcover book, watchmen had 12 single issues and they where collected in a trade.
Azazel is nightcrawler's dad, its weird cause Azazel like sleeps around and knocks up women with mutant powers and such. I forgot the reason why he knocks up women it was something about his home world or something like that, yeah I just learned about that through wikipedia. Which is weird considering Nightcrawler is one of my favorite X-men and his dad is like that.
heres some fun notes to take into consideration. Azazel is not a mutant. He is the ruler of some dimension I cannont remember the name of and has fathered many offspring throughout multiple dimensions. It is also speculated in several versions of the x men franchise that mystique is nightcrawlers mother. Azazel is also the father of blackheart, which you might remember as the pussy villain from the ghost rider travesty. although he is much cooler in the comics. Havoc is cyclops brother, im pretty sure they just picked havoc for the movie because his name sounded cool. Beasts transformation was ridiculous simply because it was a gradual process in the comics that took years. As far as continuity goes for the comic this movie lacks horribly. As far as continuity to the other movies it also lacks horribly.
you are the 1st (that's right FIRST) reviewer I've seen who doesn't take the "Raven is my sister" line literally. The relationship between Charles and Raven is one based on friendship, as she broke into the Xavier Mansion looking for food. Why did so many people who saw this movie and then review it have such a hard time understanding that part?
Great movie but the only character that they cant ever explain why is in it is Azazel, he is a leader of a group of mutants called neyaphem and fathered several dozen children , including nightcrawler , abyss and kiwi black. Black heart is Mephisto son not Azazel . It is not even clear if Azazel is a mutant , it is hinted at by Mephisto and black heart that he might be a demon or atleast have the blood of a demon . THe dimension Azazel is banished to is called the brimstone Dimension which is the dimension nightcrawler displaces him self through when he teleports . dont get me wrong now in the movie Azazel is bad ass , but I dont think he should have been some lackey like he was. It would have been cool if he was the main villain in the next movie instead of a little punk in this one since they want to shoot a trilogy and they could still have done the thing with him getting mystique pregnant . Overall amazing movie !
When you see comic movies you have to think about them being there own universe not the ones you see in the comics. like with marvel you have the normal universe and the ultimate universe as the two main stories well the movie universe is the third . think about it like that and they will be more enjoyable . Just be glad that they are being made !
one more thing , Azazel only fathers children on earth for the purpose of them gathering at an island called Isla Des Demons where they will open the portal to earth so they can destroy the Cheyarafim which are the angel like creatures that beat him. angel / archangel is said to be a descendant of the Cheyarafim which is never confirmed but teased at when some of his blood gets on nightcrawler and burns his skin.
Havok does not fit either cause he is the younger brother to cyclops . I just read that Bryan Singer states that Havok will not be his brother in the film franchise but he will still be related to him some how. they might as well put Vulcan in it too (the youngest of the summer brothers)
yeah the movie was too random on its choice of bad guys. The hellfire club had a lot of members and even had there own school for training mutants so there wasn't really any reason for them to pick mutants that had nothing to do with the hellfire club . Thumbs down for their choice to be random , but great fights still other than when that guy riptide fights , he just stand there and shoots a tornado out of his hand big freaking deal.
Mystique left for Erik because she wanted his dick since Charles wouldn't give her his, so just disregard her slorish character. Effeminate tornado guy was the equivalent of a sexy latino pool boy. The only reason I liked first class was because of the delicious bromance between Charles and Erik, everything else was just superfluous and rushed. Based on your opinion this is funnily enough more of a girl movie than a guy movie.
Random notes between movie and comics: The first class of the comics consisted of Beast, Angel, Cyclops, Iceman, and Jean Grey. So far they got Beast, the wrong Angel (the one from X-men 3 being the one in the comic's first class), the wrong Summers brother, Iceman got bumped back a generation, and Jean Grey doesn't even make an appearance. Comic nerds rage.
Of course as someone else mentioned this is a different continuity from the comic books, but some stuff is almost unrecognizable now or manipulated in odd ways- Azazel for example. He's basically there just because they couldn't use Nightcrawler.
i went to go see X-men at a Drive-In, and your right it was too long, cause the battery in so many cars went dead (including mine) that my also be because i saw another movie before X-men ^^;
mystique is not supposed to be in this movie. She is nightcrawlers mom im guessing his dad is the red telleporter if thats his power. just keeping you informed that the ages for this movie are way off to be with Xavier since he was a young adult. keep in mind that i have not seen it yet so I don't know hows its played out but i used to watch the cartoon which im guess is better based off the comics because you get less hollywood involed with the production. Also Havoc isnt suppose to show his face for a longgggggggggggggg time after this. he shows up right before magneto goes looking for apocalypse.
Azazel was supposed to be a demon locked in hell. in the comic, it's stated that that when Nightcrawler teleports the creates a wormwhole through the dimension his father is locked in. Mystique and Azazel some how meet and Nightcrawler is born, i don't know the story of how they got separated.
later on in NC's he tries to escape his prison through him. like i said i don't know the entire story... >_> but NC and his half brother Abyss say no and Azazel stays in hell or different dimension or what ever.
Havoc was supposed to be Scott Summer's Younger brother. and i like how they put Banshee in it. thought that was an added bonus. don't like how they killed off Darwin. Like the Wolverine Cameo.
hated the fact that when Emma Frost spoke she wasn't British. Hated how when she turned into her diamond form her clothes changed too. Hated how Moira McTaggert wasn't Irish as stated in every version of X-men but other than that i thought the movie was very well written.
Watchmen is a comic, anyone who says otherwise is just being ignorant, a graphic novel is a story printed ONLY in a paperback/hardcover book, watchmen had 12 single issues and they where collected in a trade.
ReplyDeleteAzazel is nightcrawler's dad, its weird cause Azazel like sleeps around and knocks up women with mutant powers and such. I forgot the reason why he knocks up women it was something about his home world or something like that, yeah I just learned about that through wikipedia. Which is weird considering Nightcrawler is one of my favorite X-men and his dad is like that.
ReplyDeleteheres some fun notes to take into consideration. Azazel is not a mutant. He is the ruler of some dimension I cannont remember the name of and has fathered many offspring throughout multiple dimensions. It is also speculated in several versions of the x men franchise that mystique is nightcrawlers mother. Azazel is also the father of blackheart, which you might remember as the pussy villain from the ghost rider travesty. although he is much cooler in the comics. Havoc is cyclops brother, im pretty sure they just picked havoc for the movie because his name sounded cool. Beasts transformation was ridiculous simply because it was a gradual process in the comics that took years. As far as continuity goes for the comic this movie lacks horribly. As far as continuity to the other movies it also lacks horribly.
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ReplyDeleteyou are the 1st (that's right FIRST) reviewer I've seen who doesn't take the "Raven is my sister" line literally. The relationship between Charles and Raven is one based on friendship, as she broke into the Xavier Mansion looking for food. Why did so many people who saw this movie and then review it have such a hard time understanding that part?
Great movie but the only character that they cant ever explain why is in it is Azazel, he is a leader of a group of mutants called neyaphem and fathered several dozen children , including nightcrawler , abyss and kiwi black. Black heart is Mephisto son not Azazel . It is not even clear if Azazel is a mutant , it is hinted at by Mephisto and black heart that he might be a demon or atleast have the blood of a demon . THe dimension Azazel is banished to is called the brimstone Dimension which is the dimension nightcrawler displaces him self through when he teleports . dont get me wrong now in the movie Azazel is bad ass , but I dont think he should have been some lackey like he was. It would have been cool if he was the main villain in the next movie instead of a little punk in this one since they want to shoot a trilogy and they could still have done the thing with him getting mystique pregnant . Overall amazing movie !
ReplyDeleteWhen you see comic movies you have to think about them being there own universe not the ones you see in the comics. like with marvel you have the normal universe and the ultimate universe as the two main stories well the movie universe is the third . think about it like that and they will be more enjoyable . Just be glad that they are being made !
ReplyDeleteone more thing , Azazel only fathers children on earth for the purpose of them gathering at an island called Isla Des Demons where they will open the portal to earth so they can destroy the Cheyarafim which are the angel like creatures that beat him. angel / archangel is said to be a descendant of the Cheyarafim which is never confirmed but teased at when some of his blood gets on nightcrawler and burns his skin.
ReplyDeleteHavok does not fit either cause he is the younger brother to cyclops . I just read that Bryan Singer states that Havok will not be his brother in the film franchise but he will still be related to him some how. they might as well put Vulcan in it too (the youngest of the summer brothers)
ReplyDeleteyeah the movie was too random on its choice of bad guys. The hellfire club had a lot of members and even had there own school for training mutants so there wasn't really any reason for them to pick mutants that had nothing to do with the hellfire club . Thumbs down for their choice to be random , but great fights still other than when that guy riptide fights , he just stand there and shoots a tornado out of his hand big freaking deal.
ReplyDeleteMystique left for Erik because she wanted his dick since Charles wouldn't give her his, so just disregard her slorish character. Effeminate tornado guy was the equivalent of a sexy latino pool boy. The only reason I liked first class was because of the delicious bromance between Charles and Erik, everything else was just superfluous and rushed. Based on your opinion this is funnily enough more of a girl movie than a guy movie.
ReplyDeleteRandom notes between movie and comics: The first class of the comics consisted of Beast, Angel, Cyclops, Iceman, and Jean Grey. So far they got Beast, the wrong Angel (the one from X-men 3 being the one in the comic's first class), the wrong Summers brother, Iceman got bumped back a generation, and Jean Grey doesn't even make an appearance. Comic nerds rage.
ReplyDeleteOf course as someone else mentioned this is a different continuity from the comic books, but some stuff is almost unrecognizable now or manipulated in odd ways- Azazel for example. He's basically there just because they couldn't use Nightcrawler.
i went to go see X-men at a Drive-In, and your right it was too long, cause the battery in so many cars went dead (including mine) that my also be because i saw another movie before X-men ^^;
ReplyDeleteWas there even a credit to Tim Powers in the Pirates credits?
ReplyDeletemystique is not supposed to be in this movie. She is nightcrawlers mom im guessing his dad is the red telleporter if thats his power. just keeping you informed that the ages for this movie are way off to be with Xavier since he was a young adult. keep in mind that i have not seen it yet so I don't know hows its played out but i used to watch the cartoon which im guess is better based off the comics because you get less hollywood involed with the production. Also Havoc isnt suppose to show his face for a longgggggggggggggg time after this. he shows up right before magneto goes looking for apocalypse.
ReplyDeleteAzazel was supposed to be a demon locked in hell.
ReplyDeletein the comic, it's stated that that when Nightcrawler teleports the creates a wormwhole through the dimension his father is locked in. Mystique and Azazel some how meet and Nightcrawler is born, i don't know the story of how they got separated.
later on in NC's he tries to escape his prison through him. like i said i don't know the entire story... >_> but NC and his half brother Abyss say no and Azazel stays in hell or different dimension or what ever.
Havoc was supposed to be Scott Summer's Younger brother. and i like how they put Banshee in it. thought that was an added bonus. don't like how they killed off Darwin. Like the Wolverine Cameo.
hated the fact that when Emma Frost spoke she wasn't British. Hated how when she turned into her diamond form her clothes changed too. Hated how Moira McTaggert wasn't Irish as stated in every version of X-men but other than that i thought the movie was very well written.
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